victims being remembered this morning. hung up on taxes and heading for the cliff. this morning a warning from the fed chief the stalemate in washington is already affecting your money. royalty. we're talking about a beatle, eric clapton, the rolling stones, the who. everyone on stage to help end the misery caused by hurricane sandy. >> it's thursday, december 13th. and "starting point" begins right now. good morning, welcome, everybody. our starting point this morning is a look inside the mind of a 22-year-old sandwich shop clerk who went on a shooting rampage at a suburban portland shopping mall. here is what we know about the young man. his name is jacob tyler roberts. friends say he was usually upbeat, sweet even. suddenly quit his job last week. his ex-girlfriend said he announced he was going to move to hawaii.

he never followed through on that. instead police say he put a hockey mask on and headed toward the clackamas town center mall on tuesday afternoon. ended up killing a dedicated hospice nurse and respected former radio executive. critically wounded a 15-year-old girl before he finally committed suicide. it all brings us right to dan simon. he's live from suburban portland this morning. what else do we know about jacob roberts? >> reporter: well, good morning, soledad. his name surfaced less than 24 hours ago so it's still a bit early in the investigation. but the things that you would typically look at, his family life, you know, where he works, his relationships, haven't seen really any obvious signs. investigators say they haven't found a criminal history, no violent past. so at this point things don't really add up. people have been trying to look at his facebook page, esee if there are any clues there. there is a piece of artwork on his facebook page saying follow your dreams. the word "cancelled" stamped over it.

could that suggest anything? at this point we don't know that. there are these reports that he was planning to move to hawaii. he was telling friends that he inherited a bunch of money and had scheduled a flight to go there, but really no truth in that as best as we can tell. everyone we have talked to seems genuinely shocked that this happened, including an ex-girlfriend who actually spoke to abc. take a look. >> this was the last thing i would have ever expected, especially from him. he was just too sweet. never mean to anybody. he had his plane ticket, he was ready to go, and then this happened and it just makes me think if hawaii was even in the back of his mind. >> well, of course a lot of attention on the victims. 45-year-old steven forsyth, a father of two. a respected executive in the

portland area. coach of his kids little league team. just a heart-breaking story. and 54-year-old cindy yuille, the mother and dedicated hospice nurse. someone who knew her very well is also speaking out. take a look. >> cindy was an amazing hospice nurse. she spent her life helping other people transition to the end of life. and cindy yuille's family never got to say goodbye. >> reporter: well, there's the 15-year-old girl in the hospital. she is recovering. she took a bullet wound right to the torso. it bruised her lung, but didn't touch any vital organs. just months ago she also survived another ordeal when the van she was riding in was hit by a drunken driver. just an incredible ordeal for her, but she seems to be doing well. >> oh, my goodness. dan simon with an update on the

little bit we know about the shooter at this point. let's talk fiscal cliff for a moment. it's getting closer, but the deal still doesn't seem all that close. president obama, congressional republicans seem to be digging in on taxes. a new wall street journal/nbc poll shows an overwhelming majority of americans are siding with the president on this one. republicans polls, a majority now favoring compromise. white house correspondent brianna keilar is following some of these negotiations for us. 19 days and counting. how is it feeling? >> reporter: right now it's not going well, at least that's what you get when you listen to house speaker john boehner talk about conversations with the president. they are talking, soledad. the staff of both the white house and house republicans are in touch, but speaker boehner said about his sunday conversation with president obama that it was cordial, and then he said about his tuesday conversation with the president that it was deliberate and frank. so you -- it doesn't take too much to read between the lines there to show you that things

are not going that well. they have exchanged another set of counteroffers to no avail, and still at this point there is this impasse over tax rates. the white house, president obama saying that the income tax rate for earnings over a quarter million dollars must go up. republicans saying no and accusing the president of not being specific about spending cuts and entitlement reforms, reform medicare, medicaid and social security. >> so let me ask you a question about this report that we're hearing that the obama administration might be looking at a republican to succeed the defense secretary, leon panetta. who is on that list at this point? >> reporter: yeah, that's right. this is former nebraska senator chuck hagel, a republican. so this is pretty interesting. we know, according to sources knowledgeable of the situation, that president obama and vice president joe biden have met with hagel and he's, of course, is someone who's familiar to the president. yes, he's a republican but some

republican mace take issue with this nomination because in 2008 he actually sort of switched sides, if you will, a little bit and endorsed president obama. he also traveled with him to iraq and afghanistan. so they have that relationship as well as the vice president's relationship with hagel in the senate. it's sort of fascinating, though, because bob gates, as you know, was a republican. and so if he were to be nominated, if hagel were to be nominated, two out of three of the president's defense secretaries would be republican. so pretty fascinating stuff. i will tell you, though, the administration says no decisions have been made yet on this, but some sources saying this is almost a done deal and that hagel is the front runner. >> interesting. brianna keilar, thanks. appreciate it. john berman has a look at some of the other stories making news this fine morning. >> good morning. u.s. officials say north korea may not have control of the satellite it put into orbit. it was on board that rocket

launched yesterday. this is claiming to be from the control room in north korea as the rocket blasted off. u.s. officials say ground control has yet to send a key radio signal to the satellite. this may indicate a potential problem. secretary of state hillary clinton is set to testify next week about the terror attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. she'll appear before the house and senate foreign affairs committees. a report by a state department review board on the attack that killed ambassador chris stevens and three other americans is expected to be released before clinton testifies. she testifies one week from today. a lockdown has been lifted this morning on the campus of california state university at fullerton. that's near los angeles. the campus went on high alert yesterday after suspects in an armed robbery at a nearby store abandoned their getaway vehicle near the school. police say five suspects were involved. three were arrested. the campus took precautions while police searched for the other two suspects. computer security tycoon john mcafee is back in the u.s. this morning. mcafee says guatemalan

authorities refused his request for asylum and kicked him out of their country. they placed him on a flight to miami. right after his flight arrived in the u.s., mcafee thought he might be facing more legal trouble here at home. >> they said is john mcafee on the plane? please come forward. there were a whole bunch of officers. i thought, gee, this is continuing. and they said we're here to help you, sir. please come with us. >> more twists and turns to the strange story. he said he is willing to talk about the death of his neighbor but he said he will do the talking right here in the u.s. it's a messy situation. mcafee talking all the time. rocking for relief. one of the greatest gatherings in musical talent ever on stage last night for a very worthy cause. the 12-12-12 concert for sandy. ♪ turn the power down while

staten island drowned ♪ but we went right on with the show ♪ >> that is long island's own billy joel sounding awesome. >> he sounds so good, doesn't he? >> that's a rewrite of his iconic song. this show also featured another local boy, you may recognize him. that's bruce springsteen, the boss, from the jersey shore. he was there with the e street band. paul mccartney also there. he performed a new song that he wrote with nirvana. a lot of people thought that was a strange combination but you see him on stage. also there the rolling stones, the who, eric clapton, everyone. there are estimates this reached two billion people and the show had already raised more than $30 million just in ticket sales. this is all for hurricane sandy. >> and they said they're going to give that money out, that $32 million out in weeks and months, not in the years that you see sometimes it takes for money to hand out. >> a billy joel rewrite of miami

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welcome back to "starting point." i'm christine romans. minding your business. stock futures flat ahead of the opening bell after a mixed close yesterday. investors eyeing washington's fiscal cliff talks. it's an investment landscape full of uncertainties and fed chief ben bernanke is being crystal clear. the fed will keep interest rates low, very low, near zero, until the jobless rate falls to 6.5%. there's an inflation rate target of 2.5%.

they're not going to change things. the fed downgraded its forecast for u.s. growth next year. now 2.3 to 3% and they expect the jobless rate to stay about where it is right now. ben bernanke said the fed does not have enough tools to offset the fiscal cliff, so a warning from the fed that the fiscal cliff is already hurting household confidence and business spending. meantime security firm mcafee releasing a report about plans for a massive cyber attack on 30 u.s. banks. cyber criminals banding together around the world for project blitz creek targeting millions of dollars in consumers' bank accounts. they plan to use malware dying dormant in the u.s. financial system. here are a few of the banks at risk. citibank, wachovia, wells fargo, also e-trade and paypal also targeted. it could happen as early as the spring. no response from the banks we've contacted or the government, which monitors cyber warfare,

cyber crime. >> so we have till spring to work it out? >> well, the fdic ensures your deposits up to $250,000. republicans in the house have been warned santa claus might find them at the capitol for christmas if they can't get a deal on the fiscal cliff done before then. >> with coal. >> with coal all around, because they can't get a deal done on the fiscal cliff. we want to talk to congressman james langford, a republican from the state of oklahoma. nice to have you with us, sir. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> you have in all seriousness been warned not to make plans for christmas. what do you think is the likelihood in fact that a deal would be done before christmas, number one? and what exactly are they telling you to do or not do? >> at this point we've been told by eric cantor and speaker boehner just to hold the schedule through the rest of the year. that's the same thing we heard right after the election. hang on to the calendar and

we'll watch and see how this unfolds. obviously americans work through the holidays a lot and so as members of the house and senate, we'll continue to do that as well. >> how will it work low gistically. you're done today, right? the last working day, you're off tomorrow. do you go anyway and everybody is just on call meaning you'd be brought back to do some sort of a vote? >> americans loose track sometimes that all of our work is not here in washington. i'll be back in my district office tomorrow because there are things in my district that have to be taken care of and i'll fly back early next week and get started because obviously the fiscal cliff is a major part of it. but as members of the house we don't have a lot we can push on. we can throw out alternatives and options but speaker boehner is our negotiator. >> there's been very little leaked, exactly the details of some of those conversations. we do know from politico which is reporting that speaker boehner has told the president that he would consider more than

the $800 billion in new tax revenues that have been on the table if in fact the president were willing to do deeper entitlement cuts. is that the kind of thing that you would support? >> well, i have to see all the details of the deal on it. what we're struggling with is this is obviously a spending-driven crisis. in 2012 -- most americans don't know. in 2012 we received in the federal government the third highest amount of federal revenue ever in the history of the nation. so while there's this conversation about we need more revenue, we actually are receiving more revenue than ever. so the third highest number that we've ever received ever in the history of the nation. while paychecks are going down, federal revenue continues to go up. but we're spending a trillion dollars a year more than we did just five years ago. so we're very focused to say we're not just going to solve the fiscal cliff but actually solve the fiscal crisis and that is the debt and deficit spending. we've got to find a way to solve that. >> there's a couple interesting new polls i want to run by you.

nbc/wall street journal poll is would you accept tax increases on incomes higher than $250,000 to avoid the fiscal cliff. democrats, 89% said yes. republicans, 61% said yes. independents, 69% said yes. so the sentiment certainly feels even within the republican party to go for that. the question was do you want gop leaders to compromise in the current budget debate. republicans overwhelmingly -- back in april, 38 were saying they'd compromise. that number is now 59%. stick to positions, you know, back in april more than well over half said yes. now that number has dropped dramatically to 37%. how do you read the tea leaves when it comes to these kinds of polls? >> it doesn't surprise me that the majority of americans would say raise taxes but do that on someone else so look at this upper bracket. they identify this 2% and say raise it on them and not on us.

the other dynamic is i think a lot of americans are beginning to understand what we're facing in this fiscal cliff. three things are hitting at the exact same time. the affordable care act taxes kick in january 1st. all rate increases from the last lame duck, they took every rate and did it two years. this is not a matter if republicans are saying new york city we're going to vote no on everything. what we're doing is voting yes on every single tax rate going up. the third part is trying to reduce spending. last year during the budget agreements, we agreed that we would find a way to cut $1.2 trillion in spending. so that's still on the table right now. if it's not done, there's across-the-board spending cuts and a lot of americans say that's the wrong way to do it. >> you know what, there's an interesting poll that comes out of bloomberg and the question is about a mandate. i thought this was interesting. obama's re-election, the question goes, gives him a mandate to raise taxes on those making $250,000 plus. and the answer was yes, 65% of

people polled said yes, in fact they do believe that he has a mandate there. with that polling, how does that make you change how you see your position as you go into the negotiation along with the fact that everybody's taxes are going up anyway at the end of this year? no matter what happens, you can do absolutely nothing, we're all going to have our taxes raised. >> that's correct. our challenge is this. we're not trying to solve the fiscal cliff, we're trying to solve the debt and the deficit. the president's proposal was let's raise taxes on the wealthiest americans, which raises about $80 billion. well, that still leaves us $920 billion to go to get through this deficit. so the president's proposal is not serious to actually solving the problem. in their last proposal the president put out was raise $80 billion a year in additional taxes and give us unlimited authority to continue to raise the debt ceiling and take sequestration cuts and post pope benedict it another year. we're saying that's not serious, we've got to deal with it right now. the crisis is real, but it's

real in the amount of debt that we're increasing every single day so let's deal with the real issue. >> do you have leverage on this? if our taxes are going up at the end of the year, wharls of whether you go home to oklahoma or stay, taxes are going up on everybody. i'm sure that nobody wants to be holding the bag on raising taxes on the middle class. that's an excellent way to be unelected next time around. do you have leverage to do all those things that you want to do? >> our leverage is only the american people because again you kwoed some of tquoted some about tax increases. they say they really do want this balanced approach. it wasn't long ago the president was saying he wanted a three to one deal and now it's tax increases and $600 billion in spending cuts and those spend cuts will happen in some future year, not currently. that doesn't sound like a three to one deal at all. now it sounds like $3 in tax increases to $1 of spending cuts and that's exactly opposite of what he campaigned on. we're going back to the same basic thing and saying where did

those spending cuts go? we need to deal with the spending issues. >> congressman james lankford, we appreciate your time this morning. ahead this morning on "starting point" is weight an issue when it comes to the white house? no, i don't think so. he doesn't like to talk about it but governor chris christie is talking about whether he's too fat to be president. this morning we'll tell you why google maps is making a comeback. we'll talk about all of that and much more right after this. jamie and matt were looking for gifts at toys 'r' us. let's see if we can find similar gifts at walmart for less? okay?

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welcome back. here's the top stories this morning. more than 800,000 minivans and suvs recalled by honda over an ignition system defect. it affects 318,000 odyssey minivans made in 2003 and 2004, 259,000 pilot suvs also made in 2003 and 2004 and 230,000 acura mdx suvs made from 2003 to 2006. here's the problem. honda says the defect lets owners remove keys from the ignition before pitting the vehicle in park. this can cause the vehicles to roll away. this actually caused several crashes and two reported

injuries. sounds dangerous. glad they're taking care of it. the first section of the giant expire is now in place. it made it. 17 more sections will follow. the spire will eventually stand 408 feet tall and make the building the tallest in the western hemisphere. our team is with us. depo deepak chopra is with us. will cane is with us as well. >> it's hard for deepak and i to get together on that book. >> nice to have you both with us. so here's a man who has been called bombastic. he's usually brutally blunt, but he never likes to talk about his weight. chris christie, though, finally answering a question that was pit to him by barbara walters. could his weight be an issue if

he decided to run for the white house. >> if i could figure that out, i'd fix it. >> do you try to diet? >> barbara, i've had -- i've had more diets and lost and gained back more weight in my lifetime than i care to count. >> there are people who say that you couldn't be president because you're so heavy. what do you say to them? >> that's ridiculous. i mean that's ridiculous. people watched me for the last number of weeks in hurricane sandy doing 18-hour days so i don't really think that would be a problem. >> i agree with him in that. i don't care. i literally do not care the size of my presidential candidate. >> would you care about the health? >> i would, but i suppose there are some people who are unhealthy and look like they're physically in good shape. yeah, i would hope he would be taking care of himself. >> he has proven he has the stamina to do the job but that's why candidates release their health records. >> he is overweight. >> but he is likely to have high triglycerid

triglycerides, cholesterol. >> i don't care about the cholesterol and triglycerides of my presidential candidates. some of them smoke, some of them have heart disease, some of them are really, really old. >> in the day and age we're living in, i think it's responsibility to have good health in a leader. >> i think he handles it with a great amount of charm. he answers it directly. you know, we've often said that these physical characteristics have a great bearing on who gets to be president. we've talked about it with height. but the last -- george w. bush and barack obama have won elections when they were the shorter candidate, define what our popular notion was. a heavy president, at least as far as politics is concerned, can very likely win the presidency. >> good to know we're starting off agreeing. still ahead on "starting point" the war in syria taken to a whole new level. the dangerous new weapons that are now in play. and a serious scare for justin bieber. details on a reported plot to kill him.

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welcome back, everybody. you're watching "starting point." a military assault in sear yach -- syria. u.s. intelligence now confirming that syria launched four short-range scud missiles around

damascus into northern syria. presumably they were targeting rebels trying to overthrow the regime. jill, what's the very latest about this? >> reporter: soledad, number one, these scuds are significant because it's really upping the ante. one of the reasons it's very important is because this is a sign that now the rebels, the opposition forces, really are gaining territory. they are strengthening and using a weapon like this, which is a very powerful weapon, is a sign that they have to fight back. the regime of bashir al assad has to fight back and now they're using scuds. interestingly they went north in the direction of turkey. remember, we've been paying a lot of attention to that because nato decided, proved just last week to send in patriot anti-missile systems into turkey to protect them from any possible attack from syria. so that is a good step.

it will take a while for them to get there, but that is a good step. and finally, you know, i was talking to one expert who was mentioning that the scuds can be equipped with chemical weapons. they are not doing that at this point, but that has been a concern. what would the syrian government do with its chemical weapons. so there's a lot of concern here certainly, soledad. >> what other weapons in addition to the scuds has the regime been using? >> reporter: you know, when we had the briefing here yesterday at the state department, they were mentioning a number of them. one of the most disturbing is what are called barrel bombs. and those are incendiary devices. they create flame, fire. they're very disturbing in the sense that the injury that say they create are terrible. people are burned sometimes right down to the bone. and don't forget in areas like this there are very few hospitals. medical care is failing. so it's extremely disturbing to hear that for the civilians on the ground. >> oh, my goodness.

jill dougherty updating us on that. thank you, jill. appreciate it. john berman has a look at some of the other stories making news this morning. new this morning, autopsy results reveal a british nurse jacintha saldanha has found hanging by a scarf. wrist injuries were also reported. this was three days after she was fooled by australian deejays posing as queen elizabeth and prince charles. a coroner's inquest is under way. she left behind several suicide notes. federal immigration officials have arrested an intern who worked for a few months in senator menendez' office. he's from peru and also a sex offender. the senator's office said the senator did not know this man. two new mexico men have reportedly been arrested in a bizarre murder-for-hire plot. police say one of their targets was justin bieber.

krqe tv in albuquerque says 41-year-old mark staake and his nephew, tanner ruane were planning to kidnap and kill four people, including two witnesses to a crime and also they were planning to kill bieber and his bodyguard. bizarre. finally, our long navigational nightmare is over. google maps is back and possibly better than ever. the app is now available to download with turn-by-turn navigation, subway, bus and walking directions are also back, along with street view and much, much more. if you remember, apple replaced google maps with its own version of a mapping app. the new software slammed by users for warped 3-d graphics and misplacing landmarks. some cities were like 70 miles away from their actual location. >> and you think that's far? >> the google maps app that's out today is getting great

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welcome back, everybody. just 19 days and counting until we officially go over the fiscal cliff. the last conversation between the speaker, john baoehneboehne president obama was described as tense. which doesn't make us feel so good about going into day 18 tomorrow. we want to talk with the democratic governor of delaware, jack markell. he's in the middle of a trip in seoul, south korea. first we want to start with the fiscal cliff. how close do you think we are to

negotiations? i mean it's getting a little bit ridiculous almost. we start looking at whether people are talking, not making any press statements, how their press releases look and whether they're meeting at all and how the vibe is in the capitol. all of these things are silly to look at but that's kind of what we have at this point. >> good morning, soledad, thanks fo for having me on. obviously it's hard to know. i had a chance last week along with a number of other governors, democrats and republicans, to meet with the president and separately with speaker boehner and separately with leader reid to talk about the fiscal cliff from the perspective of governors. and we were very grateful they gave us an opportunity, they invited us to have a seat at the table as they are considering different options. but one of the things i've seen certainly since i'm in asia as well as back home is when you talk to business leaders, they're really looking for some certainty here. that's the key issue, because we're not going to see investments until they know what

it's all going to look like. >> interesting. so you're in south korea, you've just come in from japan. what has been the reaction to that rocket launch from the north koreans? >> the amazing thing here in south korea is that even with the rocket launch, folks here are working, they're building, they're thriving. they're focused. and they're building their economy. there's actually been relatively little conversation and don't seem all that worried. i think they believe the foreigners that are here are a lot more worried than they are. they're going about their business, and their business is building the country, building the economy. it's been very impressive to see what i've seen. >> governor, roland martin here. i'm curious. you're trying to bring business from south korea to your state. what kind of business, though? how are you pairing those two up in terms of what your state is good at? south korea might say, hey, it might be a good idea for us to go? >> when i was in the business world, i spent a lot of time visiting customers.

now that i'm governor, i still spend time visiting customers. some of those customers are right in delaware, but some of them are in other countries. we have businesses in delaware that are based all over the world, including japan, including south korea, and so my visit here is in large part talking to people who are in our state, making sure they know that we're committed to their success, that we understand their industry, that we understand their companies, and that's a conversation that we have all the time. no matter where i visit businesses, i ask one question, which is how can we facilitate your success, because these days when we facilitate the success of companies in our states, they're more likely to hire. and so that's really the conversation we're having here and really it crosses a range of industries. >> governor, most of the jobs that are outsourced are either for manufacturing or for services. so what are the strengths in manufacturing and services that your state offers? >> what most businesses are

looking, for and again it's across a range of industries, it could be manufacturing, it could be services, businesses are looking to be in an environment where are there are really good schools, a great workforce, reasonable cost of doing business and a very responsive government. and so that's what we offer across the board, across manufacturing services and the like. these days we spend a lot of time focused on workforce development, because we know that companies have more choices than they have ever had before. one of the most important things to look for is where can they get access to a skilled workforce. we have that in delaware, we're fortunate. one of the great benefits these days is the falling price of natural gas across the country means that businesses who previously may not have looked to do something in the united states, they're looking once again at the u.s. because the cost of doing business, thanks to energy costs, is coming down. >> governor jack markell joining us, a democrat from the state of delaware. nice to have you with us. we had a few little audio glitches while you were talking.

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what's wrong with me? >> this should go for bill o'reilly then. >> deepak chopra over there. >> that is such a sad story, about the woman coming in from bogota. she's clearly the mule, right? what lengths drug traffickers will go to, to take a woman's body, cut it open and implant drugs into her hoping she'll get through security? >> you see examples with their family threatened. >> oh, my god. oh, my goodness. let's continue to talk about the fiscal cliff this morning because negotiations we know are stalled, and there's a new poll from nbc news, "the wall street journal" 67% of americans said they would accept a compromise on one or both of the biggest sticking points, increased taxes, cuts in spending. public leaders say government overspending is the root of our problems. our next guest says a

collaboration between government and private industry would move the nation forward. "doing capitalism in the innovation economy" ranked among 2012's best books by the financial times. people talk about an innovation economy. what does that mean? >> i mean the processes by which through trial and error we discover new technologies, research is alied, and then the stuff that really matters is built out into the kind of networks from the canals to the railroads to the highway system, the electricity grid and the internet that transform the market economy and then finally there's a process again, trial and error, of exploring what this new stuff is good for. the point is that this innovation economy cuts against the notion that efficiency is the virtue of markets. >> so republicans are saying listen, you don't need to cut

taxes. in fact, people need to have as much money as they can privately because they want to invest it back in and that will be good for the economy. the democrats say you want to grow from the middle and not cut spending because that's a problem for the people in the middle so what is the right, what grows the economy? who is right on this argument? >> what you need are sources of funding that are not focused on a narrow calculation of economic return, of short term financial return. the u.s. government, when it has had politically legitimate missions, going from national development, subsidizing the railroad construction to the defense department laying the foundations for the digital economy, the government has played a fundamental, necessary role that no other source could play in building the kind of platform that entrepreneurs and venture capitalists can dance on. that's what's missing now. we're stalled. >> why has the stimulus been a problem.

people argued there was not enough money in the stimulus, the stimulus hasn't worked in a lot of ways the stimulus would work, not as bad as some who say the stimulus has not done anything. with the new fdr, it hadn't done that. what was the problem? >> two different issues, one it wasn't big enough and the data from people like christy roemer is clear. it put a halt on a collapsing economy and some of the targets of it i don't think were very well thought through. the alternative energy loan guarantees, mistake, it was taking over a bush program and expanding it. the way the defense department pulled the semiconductor and software industries along was being a creative customer. >> i'm going to grant you your premise, innovation is done through trial and error and error and error. all of the examples of government forcing that forward are happy accidents, are they

n not. the way private industry used it was the happy accident. the stimulus didn't work as soledad's question to you is, because it is for the purpose of innovation. that does exactly the opposite of what you want. that narrows trial ander roh are to just the one the intellectual elites want to see. >> i don't disagree. the only time the government has had the scale and the mass and the momentum to create that opportunity for private industry is when it's had a politically legitimate mission. >> we can't ask government to say hey what is the industry of tomorrow. we can't ask them to do that. they have to have legitimate goals and happy accents built off of that. >> it's the low carbon industries, but you've got people who are absolutely rej t rejecting any role for government. my question to you is, did they reject the role for government in responding to climate change

because they're skeptical about the science or are they skeptical about the science because accepting it would legitimize an active role for the government. >> i'm sorry, i'll grant you the problem, fine. say we want to find some solution to expanding carbon but i think you've narrowed the field to what government elects to invest in. you have crowded out this natural chaos of capitalism. >> no reason you have to do that. back in the '60s the defense department said if you can deliver a silicon that will do "x" we'll buy it, we don't care whether you're ibm or a bunch of engineers down in houston, texas, working for texas instruments. today the government would say you give us a battery with this kind of energy density or solar cell with this degree of efficiency, and we'll buy it, whether it comes from general electric or three guys in the garage and we'll pull you down the learning curve. we'll pull you down. >> obviously -- >> the united states is still the creator innovations, all of the innovations have come from

here the last 20 years? >> i think the united states remains a continuing leader at the frontier of innovation, but there are others that are catching up. >> the book is called "doing capitalism in the innovation economy." bill, nice to have you. we'd love to have you back. anybody who likes to throw it down with our friend will cain. >> i look forward to it. >> it's done and done. you heard him say yes. we have to take a break. still ahead this morning, we'll be talking about north korea launching that satellite into orbit. we're hearing there are problems, they may have lost control. genetic testing on your baby, is it a smart cautionary move or a dangerous slippery slope. we're back after this. i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost.

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good morning, welcome, everybody. our team this morning, deepak chopra, author of "super brain" we'll talk with him about that book straight ahead, roland martin, cnn political analyst and will cain, columnist for thebliz.comand co-anchor john berman sticking around. is the fiscal cliff getting closer? deal seems to be far off. president obama congressional republicans stuck on taxes. new "wall street journal"/nbc news poll shows a majority of americans are siding with the president on this one and republicans poll we're seeing a big shift a majority favor compromise. white house correspondent brianna keilar has been following the negotiations which are said to be tense with 19 days to go over the cliff. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. it appears so far the parties here haven't gotten the message on compromise. i would say they're very far apart. they continue to talk, staff

between the white house and house republicans are talking. president obama and the speaker have had conversations in recent days, but when you listen to how john boehner has described those conversations, sunday he said that their talk was cordal and then he described his tuesday conversation with the president as deliberate and frank, so it doesn't take much to read between the lines there and see that things haven't gone really in the right direction here in the last couple of days. the bottom line is that the impasse remains over those income tax rates. the president says that they have to increase for earnings of a quarter million dollars, over a quarter million dollars. house republicans still say no and accusing the white house of not coming forth with specifics on spending cuts and also entitlement reforms, reforming meld i care, medicaid and social security, soledad. >> brianna keilar, let me ask you a question about new defense secretary. >> reporter: yes. >> what are the names floated? could be a republican, we're told. >> reporter: this is really interesting. former nebraska senator chuck

hagel, his name is not only in the mix but some democratic sources say it's almost a done deal that he is the front-runner, as one referred to him. this is fascinating. yes he is a republican but remember back in 2008, he actually endorsed president obama, traveled with him to iraq and afghanistan, and sources knowledgeable of this process say that hagel has met with president obama recently, last week, and that he's also met with vice president joe biden who as you know has some history with him because they both served in the senate together but it's sort of intriguinintri. remember bob gates was a republican as well. president obama kept him on, if hagel were to be appointed, two of his three defense secretaries would be republicans. >> interesting fact, brianna keilar thank you. john berman has a look at some other stories making news. >> we're learning more about 22-year-old jacob roberts, the sandwich shop clerk who killed two people and wounded a teenage per. an e girlfriend says roberts

quit his job last week and said he was moving to hawaii. it's not clear why he decided to go on a shooting rampage instead before he committed suicide. big questions this morning about that satellite north korea just lifted into the sky. could it be tumbling out of control? u.s. officials do not believe north korea has full control over the satellite that was carried aboard the long range rocket that was launched yesterday. this is video you're looking at right now from north korean tv claiming to be from the control room in north korea as the rocket blasted off. u.s. officials says grand control has yet to send a key signal which could indicate there say potential problem. secretary of state hillary clinton expected to testify about the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. report by a state department review board on the attack that killed ambassador chris stevens and three other americans is expected to be released before clinton testifies, that's one week from today. after weeks on the run, computer security tycoon john mcafee is on u.s. soil.

he says guatemalan authorities refused his request for asylum and kicked him out of the country, after landing in miami mcafee told reporters he is willing to talk to authorities from belize about the death of his neighbor but the interview will have to happen here in the u.s. this morning the world is remembering musician and composer ravi shankar, he died tuesday at the age of 92. india praises him as the man who brought east and west together with his music. an obituary in the los angeles times calls him the darwin, the godfather of world music. deepak chopra, i know you were the friend. >> yes and he is the father of norah jones and the cultural icon of the century actually. i knew him well, introduced interestingly enough through george harrison, so george harrison introduced me to ravi shankar.

>> what a loss, too, and talented children, you think about that. and now we turn back to the fiscal cliff which seemed to be the story that has been overriding everything we've talked about over the last couple months. stalemate in washington, we want to get to nate garvis "naked civics" how ordinary citizens can help move the nation forward. we talk about people on one side or the other, people in the capital, meeting at the white house but very rarely the american citizenry unless we're throwing out a poll. you're saying we're less powerless than we think we are. >> absolutely, start with this. we spent $6 billion on an election, $6 billion on angertainment basically to get us washington, d.c. vm, washington didn't change very much.

this is the same fiscal crisis of the debt ceiling that caused the fiscal cliff and i don't think we'll be seeing the end of any crisis any time soon so if washington, d.c., wants to play lucy holding the football, we as the american people don't have to play charlie brown charging at it every time and the way to do that is to look at our challenges much differently, not as polarized hyperpartisanship as how much or how little government we throw at the challenges but as a marketplace of innovation. you talked about that before. if you look at our society as a bunch of civic outcomes, you can see actually how we're doing quite well, extremely well moving forward on all sorts of things, so soledad -- >> it doesn't feel like that. i was just reporting that the fiscal cliff does not seem to be any closer and we hear the clock ticking. >> posturing most of it. >> i agree. >> it's posturing for the most part. >> i despise the boxes, that is you're either in a blue box or

red box. what's the issue we're talking about. to the whole point about citizens when people say we are going to get involved, forget the parties. you can affect it based upon the issue but it's driven by what is your party and what is your label. >> actually it's how we get involved, too, just getting involved in the marketplace. here we are talking about a fiscal cliff. the biggest driver of our fiscal woes are entitlements and the biggest driver of that is health care. we don't have a health care system. what we have is a sick care system. we have a sick care system that is predicated on two ideas. one is get sick and we'll fix you and the other is death is optional. >> the way to get involved has much more to do with your own individual life than your vote. there are things to do in this world that can improve the world besides what you do inside the ballot box. i think that's expansive, absolutely a positive way to look at the world. >> it's actually approachable.

>> absolutely. >> one of the best ways to understand this is environmental stewardship. we can argue about cap and trade all we want but the more products and services that we're buying every day surrounding our lives with, the better off the planet is and the better off our economy is, because people are selling goods and services, and it's as approachable as dish soap that doesn't pollute or it's as approachable as $100,000 luxury car these days. >> you're asking for accountability and i think part of the problem is for so many americans when you throw out the word accountability that's what scares people to death because you're saying forget d.c., you have a responsibility here and people go i don't know about that, nate. >> if you look at something for example gay marriage, the people have shifted and then the politicians follow. >> exactly. >> are we today any more -- there used to be we think in terms of how we tell our past story that there were leaders, right, and they were brilliant and they went out and they stuck up for the things that they believed in, and they brought the people with them, versus the

people saying any politician who worries about being reelected is going to say my gosh, the polling shows "x." i better shift my position on this. >> and a lagging indicator, too, let me put it this way. roland, barack obama as our president, whether you support him or not, barack obama as our president is a pretty big deal, wouldn't you say. >> the 44th, yes. >> and it's not that the laws behind that, not the voting rights act of '63 was unimportant but the reason why we have barack obama as our president is because we raised a couple of generations on "sesame street" and "the cosby show" a culture regulated it to that big deal not being the big deal. the same thing with gay marriage there's all of the political fights but the fact of the matter "glee" and modern family" are regulating the culture. >> you can't overlook the laws that play on it. when you say the people move it, that is still building and

mobilizing and organizing and still getting involved, it simply is not going to happen just because oh it's a great idea. people still have to get off their couch and do something. >> absolutely. i'm not arguing against that. it's just that we have different ways of getting off our couch and it could be as close as going down to your store and buying products that actually have social good built right into their intrinsic designs. >> the book is called "naked civics," subtitle "strip away the politics to build a better world." nate, nice to have you. still ahead on "starting point" rebuilding after sandy, why is there a holdup in federal aid and why do some people say some of the neighborhoods shouldn't be rebuilt at all. we'll talk with secretary shaun donov donovan. he's in charge of the response to the storm. our freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg.

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dozens of celebrities were raising money for victims of sandy. many folks are still struggling to rebuild. joining us is shaun donovan, secretary of housing and urban development and official has a second gig where he became in charge of the response to superstorm sandy. nice to have you with us. >> one or two? >> just one. >> they're asking for just over $60 billion in relief for the victims of superstorm sandy. the cbo is estimating only $9 billion would be spent by september. why what seems to be so little, i get it's $9 billion but the tiny percentage when so many people need help and they need it now? >> well the fact is, soledad, when you have a storm of this magnitude, this is going to be one of the worst disasters in the history of the country, we're not going to be able to rebuild everything in just a few months. families are going to take a year or two to rebuild their

homes, businesses have to be rebuilt and there's the whole question of how we prepare for the next storm. >> the reality is hurricane irene, and i lost a few trees and others in hurricane irene but a smaller storm, people are still waiting from the money from hurricane irene in 2011. >> let's be clear. we've reacted more quickly to this storm than any storm in history, in just a month we have over 500,000 families that have already registered for aid. we have over $1 billion that's already gone to families to help them feed their kids, to find places to sleep while they're out of their homes so that is happening at a speed that it's never happened before but this is a long-term process. the president asked me not to take over fema's job, that's the short term response. it's to create a long-term recovery plan and here is the thing. we know that for every $1 we spend to protect against the next storm, we save $4 down the

road. that's going to mean hardening our infrastructure. it's going to mean thinking differently about our communities, and we need to start that right away. >> so what does that mean, for example, does that mean certain neighborhoods are not rebuilt? we always have this conversation, should we rebuild new orleans, should we rebui rebuild -- >> should we be living against the ocean? >> there are conversations going on in neighborhoods in staten island, along the jersey shore and long island about the potential for buyouts and turning what were residential communities into parks and other things, but this is not just those types of decisions. it's whether we elevate our homes, it's whether we invest in moving boilers and generators up to the top floors. there's a story about bellevue hospital in new york where for two days workers carried fuel oil up to the generator on the top of the building just to keep the generators going for those patients. we have to change those kind of rules. >> those hospitals still are not back, my doctors are there and i

went the other day and the private offices are open but the nyu medical center is not open and they're still trying to figure it out. >> and our job one right now is to focus on the response. i'm looking at the recovery, that's critical that we do that. we still have more than 10,000 families that are in homes where electricians are,ing in their basements replacing circuits that were burned out, replacing boilers, doing those things, and that's the critical step that we're taking right now. >> secretary donovan, if we want to be honest, isn't part of the issue is we are so focused on short term, to your point about how do you rebuild, you have to think long-term because let's be honest, if another storm comes, we don't want to be having the exact same conversation saying we rebuilt something and it gets torn up again and didn't think how to make it much more efficient and about thor. thinking long-term requires long-term planning which is not going to happen in a matter of a couple of months. >> you are exactly right. we saw this after katrina. the images of people at the

superdome is what most people remember. we also had a problem with longer term recovery. in his first year in office the president asked me and secretary napolitano to put together a framework, we call it the national disaster recovery framework, how do we respond better on the big disasters that are going to have long-term implications. we have 170 folks right now, a team working on this in new jersey and new york, thinking exactly about that. what do we do with our building. >> it's long-term and new orleans is a great example, new orleans east a lot of people don't live there because no one rebuilt the food stores or the malls and schools that people need before they move back in. so there's sort of this, you know, catch 22 of what do you decide to rebuild first and doing it fast is often what keeps people to stay in the community. if you do it slowly they disappear. the ninth ward in new orleans it's a football field. what they did by doing nothing, there are no homes. people don't live in those

homes. it seems to me that is a decision that's been made about someone's future just by going slowly. >> one of the things we learn, soledad, too, this scan't be th federal government's decision. the president said this is about looking to local communities and getting folks -- these are going to be hard decisions we have to make but it's not for government to make them alone so we started community meetings in communities throughout the region to talk about these tough decisions and we need different building codes. we need to talk about things like buy outs but it has to be a process that brings the community together to talk about those tough decisions. >> bloomberg and the fema trailers, mayor bloomberg says no fema trailers. >> new york is a very different place. you know i'm a native of this area and one of the reasons the president asked me to do it, it's personal. >> your wife is from new jersey. >> yes. this is personal. i lost family members and friends, i have friends out of their homes and businesses, so i see this as a real personal

issue. we need to make sure that we respond in a way that's appropriate to new york. >> no trailers? >> there are going to be, we are getting requests already and providing those in places in long island and new jersey where it makes sense. >> but bloomberg doesn't want trailers. >> in a densely packed area it's not the most appropriate solution. we've been able to find more than 10,000 vacant apartments in the region working with fema we're helping folks get into, hotels, apartments, that's a more logical solution in a community as dense as new york city. >> are you thinking long-term, is it time to acknowledge that climate change is real and is it too late to do anything about it? >> look, as the president said, it seems like we're having the 100-year storm every couple years. >> yes. >> that means we've got to think differently. that's exactly why building smarter, again, every dollar we invest in mitigation, $4 saved in the long-term. that's the evidence now, so these are smart investments,

that's why congress needs to act quickly and the other thing i would just say is we have family members, we have small businesses who are making a decision right now about whether they can rebuild and unless congress makes a decision quickly, they're going to be sitting on their hands, waiting to know what their futures are going to look like, unless we can make a decision quickly about the resources that the president asked for. >> that was smooth. i'm just focusing on the housing, not climate control. >> secretary donovan dodging the question on climate control but turning back to housing his area of expertise. >> i thought i did say 100-year storm every couple years, something is changing, right? let's acknowledge something is changing. >> lebron says that was a good pivot. >> we're back. >> mr. secretary nice to have you. >> thank you. controversial new cover of "time" magazine asking, want to know my future, a genetic testing revolutionary or is it a potentially dangerous idea. e.

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the end of the year if congress fails to fix the fiscal cliff. it's unclear the fate of the benefits in the fiscal cliff fight, something that terrifies people like alisia worthen. you've been looking for a job for more than six months. are you more optimistic or less optimistic? >> i believe it's going to turn around. it will probably take a little time but i believe it will. >> you need the government to help now until that happens? >> yes, i definitely do. i have a household to run, still have rent and bills to pay and i need help. i need help. >> millions of people like alecia. she still needs an unemployment check, unclear of the fate of jobless benefits and extension of those in the faiscal cliff fight. conservatives say it's time to end it. >> she has a degree in a field

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in the summer of 1967. >> as much as i preach about non-violence, and as much as i talk about love, i don't see how anybody would ever associate me with organizing a riot. ". >> the family that discovered the tapes is in the process of preserving them. he's been called bombastiv and brutally blunt and now simply fascinating. chris christie listed as bar with a walters ten most fascinating people. they had a full and frank discussion about his weight and what it might mean for his future. >> if i could figure that out, i'd fix it. >> do you try to diet? >> no. barbara, i've had more diets and lost and gained back more weight in my lifetime than i care to count. >> there are people who say that you couldn't be president because you're so heavy. what do you say to them? >> that's ridiculous. i think people who watch me for the last number of weeks in

hurricane sandy doing 18-hour days so i don't think that would be a problem. >> it's been an issue since his run for governor. jon corzine, he said man up and call me fat. >> i agree with him, who cares. >> speaking for the big brothers, governor, blow 'em off. do what you do, bro. do what you do. >> be a heavyweight president. >> exactly, see? >> that's how you spin it. >> we got some skinny presidents. my deal is what is your public policy. >> just be good. >> that's the deal. >> that's what i'd like. here's a question, would you want to know your baby's future? genetic testing could offer parents vital medical information about their children's health, telling them if their kids are pre-disposed to diseases. misinformation, things that eventually don't end up happening anyway, the topic is the subject of "time" magazine's cover released today, asking the question, "want to know my future."

managing editor nancy gibbs joins us. >> nice to be here. >> it's an interesting catch 22, right, testing can give you information, but is it information you want to know and is it information you can do anything about and it's this dilemma that really is the focus of this article. >> those two go together. obviously most people want to know what they might be at risk of developing if it means better screening treatment but if it's something for which there is no treatment, right now doctors can test for about 2,500 medical conditions but can only treat 500. what do you do with the knowledge about the others? >> consequences of having that information and not being able to do anything with it, you're profiling. in the article the woman sounds like a neurotic mess as she tries to navigate for her children's health knowing things she cannot fix. >> like many she started trying to figure out why one of her daughter's development was delayed, her muscles were weak and each round of genetic tests came up inconclusive until the latest round, this testing has

gotten better and better and cheaper and cheaper in the decade since we decoded the human genome. they are not able to figure out what was causing her daughter's developmental delays but discovered she was at risk of certain kinds of fast growing tumors, a completely unexpected finding of a risk of cancer and then of course that leads the mother to get herself tested and finds she, too, is at that risk. it's the knowledge you're not looking for and may not be able to cope with that makes this such a confounding problem. >> that's the internal debate if someone could tell you when you're going to die, would you like to know that and adjust the way you're living. you said it's cheaper. i can find out what is this going to run me. >> the original decoding of the genome costs $2.7 billion. you can now do a whole genome sequencing for about $7,500, and it's getting cheaper all the time. >> that's a big markdown. >> even more so, for $99, you can find out your risk for about

200 of the most common medical conditions. >> here's the thing, and we have a geneticist coming on in the next segment, there are very few genes that are totally predictable, so getting this information is very good, because there are certain risks you have for certain types of cancer, heart disease, et cetera, that you can do certain things about. >> for the ones that you can't do anything about, as a doctor, let's say you had a piece of paper, oh, i have this information about your newborn baby but i know there is nothing to do right now. would you tell me as the mother or would you not tell me, if you did a big genetic test? >> it would be a choice. i don't know. >> right now doctors are typically saying they wouldn't tell you. patients are saying, but we want to know. and so there are companies, obviously there's a very interesting market, there are companies making it possible for you almost to if you get your genetic information decoded, you can store it almost in a lock box where you don't look at it

until it's more likely that the knowledge is useful. >> you could lose your health care. >> how do you protect somebody who says oh my child might be a special needs child so therefore i'm going to give it up for adoption or let the state take it over. again, because there are some people who frankly don't want to deal with certain children because they say that's not the kind of child i want to raise. >> or what if you find out your child is at risk of an adult disease meaning they'll never be able to get health insurance, long-term disability insurance, would you rather therefore not have that knowledge and not risk -- >> what about choosing to have the baby when you find out very early? >> right, exactly. >> what if you find your child has a super athlete syndrome, eh, he's not going to study, he'll be a tour de france winner. >> all questions are not answerable but the article is fascinatin fascinating. that's the cover story in "time" magazine today. coming up next, dealing into super brain, kind of connected. >> yes.

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welcome back. rudy tanzi is coauthor of "super brain" wrote it with deepak chopra. this is about the potential of the brain to change really and your potential to change along with your brain.

can your brain really grow? >> i met him in the men's room. >> good start to this. >> and i said, rudy is the brain a verb or a noun? are our genes verbs or nouns? what did he say? >> it's all about the verb. it's all, it's a flow, it's action. >> so your brain can grow. >> your brain is constantly adapting, so it's rewiring itself, the chemistry is changing, the genetics are changing every moment in response to the world around you and in response to your own mind. >> if you want to improve your brain, is it really as simple as read and learn an trumt, that kind instrument, that thing that helps you grow your brain. >> anything new, you make new synapses and connections. when you learn something new you strengthen what you already know and the more synapses you have the better off you are as you age. >> books, television, music or

combination. >> combination as long it's new. watching reruns of gilligan's island won't do it unless there was some part you missed skipper said and it was new but it has to be new. >> how about what you eat. how does your diet and your exercise play a role in your brain function? >> well, exercise in particular causes new nerve cells to actually be born. so many people think you don't get any new nerve cells. your mom tells thaw when you go to the pub but when you exercise in this region of the brain that gets affected in alzheimer's disease you grow new stem cells and exercise has been shown over and over to induce that growth. >> it doesn't matter what you eat? >> what's good for the heart is good for the brain. >> all that time, for instance for some reason i've been doing morning radio for years, i have no idea why but at 1:00, 2:00, 3:00 in the morning i might jump up and start writing stuff and doing stuff, i'm really a late night person. i'm not a morning person, so how does that play a role also in

terms of how the brain develops and how you drive and think and stuff? >> different people have different cycles. so writing this book with deepak i did all my writing late night, too. >> that's a new finding relatively. >> sleep deficit? >> yes. when you think about how to have your brain age nicely, exercise, stay stimulated intellectually, socially engaged, connected with people and sleep. it's during the deepest part of sleep or slow wave sleep that you consolidate memories, all of the short term memories leak a thumb drive in the computer you want to get them on the hard drive, you need your sleep. >> it's the same as the modern exercise techniques, cross fit, p90x, muscle confusion, keeping your brain constantly adapting to the newest stimuli. >> your brain is bringing your entire world is coming to you from your brain. you get the dark jelly sitting in a silent place, signals coming in, electromagnetic

signals go. >> does that suggest you need to be constantly in a statef confusion and stimulus? >> we talk about that novelty, even if it's a little confusing is still good. remember to stay in the moment, i'm okay right now and confusion can be helpful. >> how do you -- i think a lot of people, me included, feel controlled by our brain. i want to eat certain things, do certain things because i'm driven to do those. how do you flip it? >> we go through five strategies. >> let me find those. what page, deepak? >> self-awareness which has many components, awareness of your body a wareness of your mental space, awareness of your relationships, awareness of what you want in life's reflection, et cetera, but then there's meditation, which has huge impacts on the brain. >> talk about that every day practically. >> there's conscious choice making, so you're not reflexes

being triggered by people and circumstance into totally predictable outcomes. >> talking about the first five years for children, my wife and me raised two of our nieces. i can look at those two compared to their sisters where they are at 6 and 7 is crazy based on what was being fed to them. >> it's hugely important from infancy. my wife is also a scientist, we have a little girl, a 4 1/2-year-old. we decided when she was born -- >> he's done experiments. >> she's a neuroscientist? >> also a neuroscientist. every time she cried we would not get sleep and attend to her and never let her cry. the entire foundation of her neuronetwork is forming when she's an infant and everything later will be associated. when you learn new things every day you're associating with a layer of network you already have. >> want elet her cry? >> wanted the foundation of her

neural network to be one where the world is a nice place, accepting, no rejection. >> so you all don't spank your kid. >> no, and we didn't sleep. >> the world is not a nice place where everything is kind and good. >> her world is. >> what is she 4, 5? so when she goes to pre-k? >> she's in. >> she's in pre-k she's going to discover people who steal your toys. knock you over the head with blocks. >> but she has a positive attitude about it because her basic network says the world is a positive place. >> she's safe because of that, and that creates an entirely different psyche. >> no fear. >> there are two ways you experience the world, yummy or yucky and if you're experiencing the yummy, your neural networks are making things like dope amine,er is tonin, opiates, o oxytocin which enhance the --

>> did you just say yummy or yucky? some grown people at work are going that's really yucky. >> you have a yummy brain. >> "unleashing the explosive power of your mind to maximize health, happiness and spiritual being." nice to have you gentlemen with us this morning. >> it's a yummy book. golden globe nominations just announced, who made the list and who was left off the list, that's straight ahead. a a. are "you owe me..." share "just right." the share everything plan. sharable data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. get a droid razr m by motorola for $49.99.

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sew awards season is heating up in hollywood. golden globe nomination action, you're cheering it john berman. >> i love the golden globes.

>> they were just announced. >> tell me. >> nischelle turner has some of the big contenders. john berman is on the edge of his chair. tell him who is the big winner? >> reporter: i know. john, i am here for you. i'm definitely here for you guys this morning, soledad and john. we've got a lot of star power at the 70th annual golden globes this year. the nominations are just in, i'm going to get right to them for you guys, the big categories. best motion picture drama, because they come in two categories, drama and comedy, argo is nominated, django unchanged, life of pi, lincoln and zero dark thirty. all of the directors nominated for best director as well. on the comedy side, the best exotic mare gold hotel, i'm going to be saying that all award season, it's such a long title, less miserables, moonrise kingdom, salmon fishing in the yemen and silver linings playbook. for the factors on the drama

side we've got daniel day lewis for lincoln, no surprise there, richard ger for arbitrage. not a surprise, he has been buzzed about, john hawkes for the session, joaquin phenix for the master, he was not nominated for a s.a.g. award yesterday so he made up for it this morning at the golden globes and denzel washington for "flight." jack black for bernie, he was buzzed about his performance, earn loved it so it's not a big surprise although "bernie" was a small movie, bradley cooper, hue jackson, and bill murray for hyde park on the hudson and also in the actress comedy, actress category for comedy, emily blunt for salmon fishing in the yemen, judy dench for best exotic mare gold hotel, jennifer lawrence,

maggie smith, meryl streep for "hope springs" and the actor on the drama, jessica chastaine zero dark 30, helen mirren or "hitchcock" naomi watts for "the impossible" and rachel wise for "deep blue sea." that's a mouthful. no alfred hitchcock or excuse me no anthony hopkins for hitchcock. also no kyra knightly for anna carinha. tina feye and amy poehler were boast nominated and -- >> all right. >> will be given to jodie foster. you guys are doing too much. >> we don't make it easy for you. we do not help you. thank you for highlighting some of the folks who have been tapped. we'll see who the winners are.

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